I have to say that in the revised version by Andrevan, that "although" rather seemed classic WP:SYNTH (see the UN example there), and overall it was very badly written; the version just before I reverted back was the best, but still could be revised; proposing. ―. Andrevan, you need to work out wording on the talk page if you wish to re-add substantially identical material that has been challenged. Its not a problem with issues such as him not being forthcoming with his grades (did Obama ever release his transcripts? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:34, 28 May 2018 (UTC), Boom! I have no idea what "debate" you think is on tap here. The "do not recall" bit is from a notable book and the authors interviewed a large number of Trump's former classmates at Penn. My point is that guilty pleas and indictments are relevant to Trump himself. In very rare cases, adults may suffer brain inflammation. Clearly the investigation is a major albatross that gets discussed massively like a slow motion train wreck on a daily basis by RS, unlike, say, Benghazi or the Fast and Furious scandal which, while they may have taken up a lot of Congressional time, were mostly a blip in RS. And even if we adopted your change, there would still be a lot of redundancy between the two sentences. [1] The content was swiftly removed,[2] re-inserted in slightly-amended form,[3] challenged on procedural grounds with a request to obtain prior consensus,[4] and restored in a lengthened form with a combative edit summary. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. e.g. The basic meaning of the two additions is identical. But one's education and implied skills and intellect are key points, especially early in one's career in NY where the competition -- even in the real estate and government circles -- is full of top-tier ivy league grads. Trump has repeatedly denied any collusion with Russia. Lesson: Avoid specific wikivoice content in controversial areas. Almost a fifth are classed as obese. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2018 (UTC), But the victory was not a "surprise victory". August 18 New stage name and first performance as "The Beatles" at the Indra Club in Hamburg, Germany. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC). A pregnant woman who has been exposed to chickenpox should see a doctor immediately for an injection of varicella zoster immune globulin (VZIG) - antibodies to fight the illness. --MelanieN (talk) 15:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC) Adding MONGO and L293D. [5] ("Not mentioning this in the lead is malpractice. The other, debunking source is not viewable online so we don’t know what claim it is responding to. Why that is what occurs on these pages, SPECIFICO. Pete Best leaves the Blackjacks and becomes The Silver Beetles' drummer. 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At most, there is no consensus to remove it. That is how it is supposed to be done with contentious labels and derogatory comments based on opinions. Nate Silver says explicitly that journalists do not understand polls in the first two minutes. Also, I would not want to see us use Trump's latest buzzword "Spygate" anywhere; the word is pure propaganda, promoting a claim for which we have seen no evidence. is not needed.--. Make general, carefully-worded wikivoice statements for which there are literally hundreds of reliable sources. While we do not know the outcome, we do know this is under investigation. The comparison to the Trump investigation is Watergate. And generally prefer simpler and shorter. An icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. On talk pages, we don’t “vote!” on questions and formal RfCs but discuss, share ideas, and debate topics in a formal manner as we endeavor to arrive at a consensus. AFAIK it has not been picked up by the general media, except in quotes attributed to Trump. My reasoning stands and I find your arguments to be unconvincing. Infected children must stay away from pregnant women who have not had chickenpox, especially during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy or the last days before the birth. This is not an invitation to revisit the rest of that consensus, please stay on topic. There are plenty of RS, they have not taken a pass on this. People can continue to comment if they want. When it appears everyone has had their say I will ask for a neutral third party to come and evaluate. It's far from "tabloid-quality" and that is an unfortunate disparagement of the authors and their serious, critically recognized research for the book. --MelanieN (talk) 15:19, 29 May 2018 (UTC), Since opinions are still coming in I will let things lie for the moment. Greg L (talk) 03:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC), Very low participation after 17 days, even after a call for more. His supporters have embraced his controversial statements either as a rejection of political correctness or because of their own racial views. Trump has repeatedly denied any collusion with Russia. Trump has been associating himself with, hiring, or appointing shady characters who have ended up being indicted/charged/convicted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.51.215.40 (talk) 15:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC) De-shouted and removed 22 of 23 question marks per WP:IAR. So these lies are foundational and were a foreshadowing of what was to become one of the central themes of his life and character. @MrX: About your revert,[59] here was my rationale: Would you agree to restore my edit, or do you have an alternate suggestion to resolve the above two concerns? Otherwise you're leaving it dangling with simply Trump's narrative without the reality. SPECIFICO talk 22:58, 25 May 2018 (UTC). I think this was an improper close and a wrong read of the discussion. Of course they are. Generally it is expected that this template and its closely related templates will appear on an article for less than a day; occasionally longer. This is idiotic and misleading wording. A cursory look at a few of them makes it clear that you have not been that rigorous yourself, so the specific non-opinion support for the specific content is sure to be far less than you make it seem with a bunch of external links. First off, SPECIFICO, I note and applaud your mastery of debate with your …. When asked to verify his claim, classmates of Trump stated they did not recall him as having been an exceptional student. Trump has called for the investigation to be terminated. FREDERIC C. HOWE 622 Impressions of Alsace Under the Armistice GEN. EMILE A. TAUFFLIEB 629 ARTICLES, … It's one of his fave campaign and public speaking narratives how he's going to put all the great American hard-working coal miners back to work and coal is coming back. There are also plenty of scientific and scholarly treatments of Trumpism already. Pinging User:SPECIFICO and User:Winkelvi. I'm not saying that Flynn flipping should be in the lede in this article. The fact that he constantly brags and exaggerates about everything, Yes. The article used to say he "boasted" about this; editors changed it to "claimed", later "said", for NPOV reasons; the latest edit changed it to the POV word "bragged". I'm challenging the recent edit(s) by User:Andrevan adding the following to the lead: First, when Trump says something could be one of the largest X in history is nowhere near unique. But is he a racist? [3] His classmates do not recall him as exceptional. New study by Boston researchers says you can blame it on your ethnicity. He was not named in the student newspaper for the honor roll list. As written, the article basically says this, paraphrasing: Trump was investigated, but NO COLLUSION! It is more common in the over 50s. The authors did not rely solely on the recollection of the dozens of classmates they interviewed. Pete Best on why the band wore leather gear and not suits: "When we went over to Hamburg, we found out that the stage suits we had actually rotted and fell apart with the long hours we were playing. As a better written one that is basically a short update that indictments have resulted than trying to do something more. I like the suggestion of using a direct quote from the book, and I will adapt it into my proposed rewrite (not because of OWNERSHIP, just because we need good sources). The article currently says, He later bragged he had excelled at Wharton and had been ranked number one in his class of 333 students. Where there is not a clear consensus, the default (per DS) is to the longstanding or stable version of the article. Thanks for your input, all. The following discussion has been closed. As an advisory to editors, the template may optionally be used in those extraordinary occasions that many editors (perhaps a hundred or more) edit an article on the same day, for example, in the case of natural disasters or other breaking news. Second, the second sentence is not backed up by the source which merely says that conservatives say Spygate could be bigger than Watergate, but liberals say it is unfounded; neither talk about "the scope of Trump's scandals". Atsme 03:49, 28 May 2018 (UTC), We’ve recently had several edits and changes about his claim to have excelled at Wharton. [58] So, there's a conflict among reliable sources where the reliable sources least equipped to understand polls and probabilities say that Trump's win was stunning whereas the reliable sources most equipped to understand polls and probabilities (538, NYT's Upshot) gave Trump a decent chance to win. In some cases children are scarred without picking at the spots.'. Greg, have you read the cited sources? The Souls of Black Folks, Boulder, CO: Paradigm, 2004. I reverted the removal of this material by Malerooster; not appropriate when the topic is under discussion here. Goodbye for now. His best friends will admit that hyperbole for him is a regular manner of speaking. He had a 28% chance according to the most prominent forecaster. Adding, the basic change I made was adding "resulting in several indictments and guilty pleas involving campaign staff", and I think it perfectly reasonable to devote 12 words to the indictments considering how much coverage they've gotten. — JFG talk 20:03, 27 May 2018 (UTC), @MrX: Your suggestion waters down the reactions; "condemned" is imho the adequate word reflecting most sources about this affair. I’m proposing a rewrite with better sources, as follows: He later claimed to have been first in his class at Wharton,[1] but records show that he was not on the Dean's List,[2] and the 1968 commencement program does not list him as graduating with any sort of honors. As evoked in an earlier discussion, these events were one-off actions, and as such they do not look notable enough to be included as a key foreign policy event. In other words, the authors did exhaustive fact-checking by that and other means to see whether they could verify Trump's claims. that makes it more of a split. It seems to me that discussion of this topic is driven by partisans who, through tendentious editing, protect this article from factual truths. Wouldn't need prior consensus but for the existing consensus item. His election upset the expectations of some analysts. A few years later they add a son Pete to their perfect family. In adults, the illness can be far more serious, can lead to pneumonia and can even be fatal. . “Debate”? And it enhanced the image we wanted. A turn of phrase mentioning peripheral indictments in the Russian interference affair was recently added to the tail of the lead section. SPECIFICO talk 03:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC). Then supplement with some attributed opinion, from both sides but proportional to the overall coverage. Well, basically, then, you've given no reason for your "omit" so it doesn't add any weight or insight to the discussion. This page was last edited on 6 June 2018, at 21:33. — JFG talk 22:53, 27 May 2018 (UTC). US has its SECOND deadliest day of the pandemic as Biden takes office: More than 4,200 Americans die of... Eli Lilly's coronavirus antibody drug prevents 80% of nursing home residents from falling ill from COVID-19,... Can Biden's vaccine drive EVER end the covid crisis? 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Almost trivial (sorry). "[1][2][3] However, records show that he was never on the Dean's List,[4] and the 1968 commencement program does not list him as graduating with any sort of honors. We could wear it on-stage and off-stage. As happened with several other incidents, his racially insensitive remarks attracted widespread condemnation domestically and worldwide, including by several members of Congress. The following is the third installment of my condensation of favorite sections and passages. With the 45 th anniversary of this 1970 book approaching in 2015, it would be good to review the book’s still-intact relevance. A TV commentator recites the old line that â the brave may not live long, but the cautious donâ t live at all.â (10/17 20:25) 出席: MmVAXSuQ: real beauty page plexus wheel for lower back pain Michael Dominic Beer was born in Reading, Berkshire, on November 4 1956. Get real, folks. Sp o o k y H a llowe e n Spe cia l p17-19. 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